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	<title>Komentoj por Tim Morley</title>
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	<description>rambles about languages, the internet, experiences, and so on</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Komentoj pri La Renkontiĝo pri Liberaj Programoj de timsk</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2005/07/06/la-renkontigo-pri-liberaj-programoj/#comment-10725</link>
		<dc:creator>timsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Se vi volas tion fari, ne hezitu. Mi neniam uzis la servon, sed ĝi ja estas eldonita sub permesilo de &lt;a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/be/deed.eo" rel="nofollow"&gt;Creative Commons&lt;/a&gt;...  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Se vi volas tion fari, ne hezitu. Mi neniam uzis la servon, sed ĝi ja estas eldonita sub permesilo de <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/be/deed.eo" rel="nofollow">Creative Commons</a>&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri La Renkontiĝo pri Liberaj Programoj de LaPingvino</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2005/07/06/la-renkontigo-pri-liberaj-programoj/#comment-10724</link>
		<dc:creator>LaPingvino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aldonu ĝin al Google Video! (Averto: povas daŭri iom...)

Tie vi eĉ povas aldoni subtekstojn, kaj ĉe Google Video ne estas problemo ke la filmeto estas tia filmego. :)

Aŭ ĉu aliulo aldonu?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aldonu ĝin al Google Video! (Averto: povas daŭri iom&#8230 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Tie vi eĉ povas aldoni subtekstojn, kaj ĉe Google Video ne estas problemo ke la filmeto estas tia filmego. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Aŭ ĉu aliulo aldonu?</p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri Article trompeur dans Le Monde de Aleks</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/54/#comment-10586</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vous avez tout à fait raison, M. Alan,
il a été créé pour emmerder le monde, et avant tout pour vous emmerder vous même ! :) tant mieux s'il ça marche :)
Cela dit de façon totalement cordiale, bien sûr :)

Ce fut un plaisir de lire votre commentaire particulièrement pertinent :)
Mais où donc vouliez en venir ? Quel était le sens de votre commentaire ?
Que le Monde a raison, alors que vous ne savez pas ce qu'il a dit, n'ayant pas lu l'article ? Si vous voulez, si vous laissez votre adresse, je peux vous envoyer l'article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vous avez tout à fait raison, M. Alan,<br />
il a été créé pour emmerder le monde, et avant tout pour vous emmerder vous même ! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> tant mieux s&#8217;il ça marche <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Cela dit de façon totalement cordiale, bien sûr <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ce fut un plaisir de lire votre commentaire particulièrement pertinent <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Mais où donc vouliez en venir ? Quel était le sens de votre commentaire ?<br />
Que le Monde a raison, alors que vous ne savez pas ce qu&#8217;il a dit, n&#8217;ayant pas lu l&#8217;article ? Si vous voulez, si vous laissez votre adresse, je peux vous envoyer l&#8217;article.</p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri Global Voices in Esperanto de timsk</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/global-voices-in-esperanto/#comment-9937</link>
		<dc:creator>timsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Alan, and thanks for your comments.

First of all, I think the pledge that you mention at PledgeBank.com is wildly unrealistic, as I say (in Esperanto) in the comments on the pledge page.

I am of course aware of Zamenhof's effort to get 10 million people to commit to Esperanto, and you'd be right to point out that there have never been 10 million speakers of Esperanto throughout its 120 years of existence.

I also have to confess that I've never actually taken the time to read La Unua Libro, so thanks for the link to an online translation!

However, I certainly retain confidence that Esperanto is far from a lost cause. There is much apathy and resistance to overcome, certainly, and the critical mass that would make Esperanto the "obvious" choice to language learners (the position currently enjoyed by English) is still a long way off.

However, when I see the number of students enrolled at www.lernu.net, projects like www.Springboard2Languages.org, events like the Nitobe Symposia, and the increasing visibility of the language to young, active people on the internet through Skype, LiveJournal, PledgeBank, and many other places (including of course OpenOffice.org)... well, I like to believe that the idea is still spreading, and gaining adherents faster than they're dying off or quitting the movement.

Incidentally, I'm not sure of your identity, Alan, but I'd be interested to hear more about you, if you'd like to share. You can obviously write in Esperanto quite compentently, but appear very disillusioned with the whole idea. I'm not so blindly devoted to the movement that I can't imagine how that might have happened, but I'd be interested to hear your story, either here or by private email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Alan, and thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>First of all, I think the pledge that you mention at PledgeBank.com is wildly unrealistic, as I say (in Esperanto) in the comments on the pledge page.</p>
<p>I am of course aware of Zamenhof&#8217;s effort to get 10 million people to commit to Esperanto, and you&#8217;d be right to point out that there have never been 10 million speakers of Esperanto throughout its 120 years of existence.</p>
<p>I also have to confess that I&#8217;ve never actually taken the time to read La Unua Libro, so thanks for the link to an online translation!</p>
<p>However, I certainly retain confidence that Esperanto is far from a lost cause. There is much apathy and resistance to overcome, certainly, and the critical mass that would make Esperanto the &#8220;obvious&#8221; choice to language learners (the position currently enjoyed by English) is still a long way off.</p>
<p>However, when I see the number of students enrolled at <a href="http://www.lernu.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.lernu.net</a>, projects like <a href="http://www.Springboard2Languages.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.Springboard2Languages.org</a>, events like the Nitobe Symposia, and the increasing visibility of the language to young, active people on the internet through Skype, LiveJournal, PledgeBank, and many other places (including of course OpenOffice.org)&#8230; well, I like to believe that the idea is still spreading, and gaining adherents faster than they&#8217;re dying off or quitting the movement.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;m not sure of your identity, Alan, but I&#8217;d be interested to hear more about you, if you&#8217;d like to share. You can obviously write in Esperanto quite compentently, but appear very disillusioned with the whole idea. I&#8217;m not so blindly devoted to the movement that I can&#8217;t imagine how that might have happened, but I&#8217;d be interested to hear your story, either here or by private email.</p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri La esperantiga skipo de OpenOffice.org sturme laboras! de timsk</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/la-esperantiga-skipo-de-openofficeorg-sturme-laboras/#comment-9936</link>
		<dc:creator>timsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saluton Alan.

Dankon, ke vi prenis la tempon prikomenti mian blogaĵon.

Mi ne konsentas, ke temas pri malŝparo de tempo, sed tio estas evidenta -- se mi tiel opiniis, mi ne farintus la laboron.

Vi ja pravas, ke preskaŭ ĉiu uzanto de OOo povus uzi ĝin propralingve; mi konscias pri tio. La esperanta versio trovos sian lokon kiam ajn pluraj diverslingvaj esperantistoj dividas komputilojn inter si. Tio okazas en esperantlingvaj familioj, ĉe kongresoj kaj aliaj movadaj eventoj, en la (ja aktuale tre malmultaj) laborlokoj esperantlingvaj, k.s.

Tiu "merkato" estas tre malgranda -- pri tio vi pravas -- kaj se la celo estus gajni monon per tiu laboro ĝi ja estus entute vana, sed ne tion ni celas.

Kiel mi klarigas ĉe http://eo.openoffice.org, mi mensogus se mi dirus, ke ne estas ankaŭ dissciiga celo -- mi volas, ke elŝutantoj de OOo vidu la nomon "Esperanto" apud "English" kaj "Español" kaj konsciu, ke la lingvo ne formortis, ke ĝi viglas kaj uziĝas tra la mondo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saluton Alan.</p>
<p>Dankon, ke vi prenis la tempon prikomenti mian blogaĵon.</p>
<p>Mi ne konsentas, ke temas pri malŝparo de tempo, sed tio estas evidenta &#8212; se mi tiel opiniis, mi ne farintus la laboron.</p>
<p>Vi ja pravas, ke preskaŭ ĉiu uzanto de OOo povus uzi ĝin propralingve; mi konscias pri tio. La esperanta versio trovos sian lokon kiam ajn pluraj diverslingvaj esperantistoj dividas komputilojn inter si. Tio okazas en esperantlingvaj familioj, ĉe kongresoj kaj aliaj movadaj eventoj, en la (ja aktuale tre malmultaj) laborlokoj esperantlingvaj, k.s.</p>
<p>Tiu &#8220;merkato&#8221; estas tre malgranda &#8212; pri tio vi pravas &#8212; kaj se la celo estus gajni monon per tiu laboro ĝi ja estus entute vana, sed ne tion ni celas.</p>
<p>Kiel mi klarigas ĉe <a href="http://eo.openoffice.org" rel="nofollow">http://eo.openoffice.org</a>, mi mensogus se mi dirus, ke ne estas ankaŭ dissciiga celo &#8212; mi volas, ke elŝutantoj de OOo vidu la nomon &#8220;Esperanto&#8221; apud &#8220;English&#8221; kaj &#8220;Español&#8221; kaj konsciu, ke la lingvo ne formortis, ke ĝi viglas kaj uziĝas tra la mondo.</p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri La esperantiga skipo de OpenOffice.org sturme laboras! de Alan</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/la-esperantiga-skipo-de-openofficeorg-sturme-laboras/#comment-9934</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kia malsxparo de peno, esperantigi tiun programon. Cxiu uzanto havas de si komprenatan realan lingvon (krom kelkaj kompatindaj junaj idoj de esperantomaniaj gepatroj), kaj povas uzi tion anstatauxe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia malsxparo de peno, esperantigi tiun programon. Cxiu uzanto havas de si komprenatan realan lingvon (krom kelkaj kompatindaj junaj idoj de esperantomaniaj gepatroj), kaj povas uzi tion anstatauxe.</p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri Article trompeur dans Le Monde de Alan</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/54/#comment-9933</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Je n'ai pas réussi à lire cet article dans Le Monde, sans devoir payer l'abonnement, ce dont je n'ai aucune envie.  Mais si tu as raison, que d'entre les français, il n'y en a même pas la moitié qui parlent l'anglais, il ne vaudrait guère la peine nous informer qu'il n'existe pas de langue officiellement mise en avant par l'UE, parce que dans la vie quotidienne du commerce etc c'est l'anglais qui occupe la position supérieure, et ceux qui ne le parlent pas ne gagneront pas l'argent.  M Kadar ne devrait pas essayer de battre contre ce qu'il appelle la mondialisation sauvage, parce que quant à l'espéranto, il a été créé pour emmerder les citoyens du monde.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Je n&#8217;ai pas réussi à lire cet article dans Le Monde, sans devoir payer l&#8217;abonnement, ce dont je n&#8217;ai aucune envie.  Mais si tu as raison, que d&#8217;entre les français, il n&#8217;y en a même pas la moitié qui parlent l&#8217;anglais, il ne vaudrait guère la peine nous informer qu&#8217;il n&#8217;existe pas de langue officiellement mise en avant par l&#8217;UE, parce que dans la vie quotidienne du commerce etc c&#8217;est l&#8217;anglais qui occupe la position supérieure, et ceux qui ne le parlent pas ne gagneront pas l&#8217;argent.  M Kadar ne devrait pas essayer de battre contre ce qu&#8217;il appelle la mondialisation sauvage, parce que quant à l&#8217;espéranto, il a été créé pour emmerder les citoyens du monde.</p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri Global Voices in Esperanto de Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim -- I am interested in the comment that you left at 
http://www.pledgebank.com/esperanto - a pledge to learn Esperanto if 20 million other people promise the same.  You wrote: "I ought to add, though, that I believe the pledge was created with good intentions, just not much by way of forethought."

You are, of course, right.  But did you know that in the "First Book", Zamenhof tried almost exactly the same?  He invited readers to fill in and return a coupon saying: “I, the undersigned, promise to learn the international language, proposed by Dr. Esperanto, if it shall be shown that ten million similar promises have been publicly given”.  (See: http://www.genekeyes.com/Dr_Esperanto.html)

It is interesting that the idea of collecting any really significant number of pledges to learn Esperanto seems doomed to fail today as it did in the 1880s.

In same book, Dr Zamenhof wrote the following about Volapük:

"But the number of enthusiasts, after having risen to a certain number, will remain stationary, and as the unfeeling and indifferent world will never consent to take any pains in order to speak with the few, this attempt will, like its predecessors, disappear without having achieved any practical victory."

Ask yourself whether he has not in fact unintentionally described the situation about Esperanto itself.  The numbers have risen to "a certain number".  For Esperanto, that number is probably one or two million, which is many more of course than for Volapük, but nonetheless a number at which it has stagnated, and at which the "unfeeling and indifferent world" has little reason to pay notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim &#8212; I am interested in the comment that you left at<br />
<a href="http://www.pledgebank.com/esperanto" rel="nofollow">http://www.pledgebank.com/esperanto</a> - a pledge to learn Esperanto if 20 million other people promise the same.  You wrote: &#8220;I ought to add, though, that I believe the pledge was created with good intentions, just not much by way of forethought.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are, of course, right.  But did you know that in the &#8220;First Book&#8221;, Zamenhof tried almost exactly the same?  He invited readers to fill in and return a coupon saying: “I, the undersigned, promise to learn the international language, proposed by Dr. Esperanto, if it shall be shown that ten million similar promises have been publicly given”.  (See: <a href="http://www.genekeyes.com/Dr_Esperanto.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.genekeyes.com/Dr_Esperanto.html</a>)</p>
<p>It is interesting that the idea of collecting any really significant number of pledges to learn Esperanto seems doomed to fail today as it did in the 1880s.</p>
<p>In same book, Dr Zamenhof wrote the following about Volapük:</p>
<p>&#8220;But the number of enthusiasts, after having risen to a certain number, will remain stationary, and as the unfeeling and indifferent world will never consent to take any pains in order to speak with the few, this attempt will, like its predecessors, disappear without having achieved any practical victory.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ask yourself whether he has not in fact unintentionally described the situation about Esperanto itself.  The numbers have risen to &#8220;a certain number&#8221;.  For Esperanto, that number is probably one or two million, which is many more of course than for Volapük, but nonetheless a number at which it has stagnated, and at which the &#8220;unfeeling and indifferent world&#8221; has little reason to pay notice.</p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri Global Voices in Esperanto de timsk</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/global-voices-in-esperanto/#comment-9135</link>
		<dc:creator>timsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marina!

Does Esperanto really look that scary to you?! It's got a very high proportion of Latin, German and Greek roots, so many of them should look familiar. There are of course the accented consonants, which look a little bizarre to Western Europeans, but the way it all fits together -- the grammar -- is beautifully simple.

Thanks for passing by anyway.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marina!</p>
<p>Does Esperanto really look that scary to you?! It&#8217;s got a very high proportion of Latin, German and Greek roots, so many of them should look familiar. There are of course the accented consonants, which look a little bizarre to Western Europeans, but the way it all fits together &#8212; the grammar &#8212; is beautifully simple.</p>
<p>Thanks for passing by anyway. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Komentoj pri Global Voices in Esperanto de Marina</title>
		<link>http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/global-voices-in-esperanto/#comment-9133</link>
		<dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Lord!  Esperanto looks more intricate than Euskera, which, as everybody knows, has no identifiable roots and it is believed to have sprung from nowhere like the people who speak it. Other theory sustains that since its beginning cannot be traced, then it must have been (yes, you've guessed right, like the people who speak it) always there....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord!  Esperanto looks more intricate than Euskera, which, as everybody knows, has no identifiable roots and it is believed to have sprung from nowhere like the people who speak it. Other theory sustains that since its beginning cannot be traced, then it must have been (yes, you&#8217;ve guessed right, like the people who speak it) always there&#8230;.</p>
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