Komentoj pri: Further response to Nicole Martinelli http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/ rambles about languages, the internet, experiences, and so on Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:11:02 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 De: timsk http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-1187 timsk Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:45:34 +0000 https://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-1187 Hey, congratulations on the centenary! I've emailed Nicole Martinelli about Saturday. Don't hold your breath, but you might just get to meet her. :-) I'm afraid I'm struggling to remember your face from Vilnius though. I met a lot of new people there... I've probably got you on video somewhere though. Is there a photo online somewhere to jog my memory? Hey, congratulations on the centenary! I’ve emailed Nicole Martinelli about Saturday. Don’t hold your breath, but you might just get to meet her. :-)

I’m afraid I’m struggling to remember your face from Vilnius though. I met a lot of new people there… I’ve probably got you on video somewhere though. Is there a photo online somewhere to jog my memory?

]]> De: Ruben Conti http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-1183 Ruben Conti Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:06:09 +0000 https://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-1183 Hi Tim ! We met in Vilnius. I live in Milan and I have to tell you that next sutarday (11/11/2006) we (Esperantists) are meeting for our first one hundred years of Esperanto in Milan. Hi Tim !
We met in Vilnius.
I live in Milan and I have to tell you that next sutarday (11/11/2006) we (Esperantists) are meeting for our first one hundred years of Esperanto in Milan.

]]> De: timsk http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-201 timsk Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:09:35 +0000 https://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-201 Thanks for your note, Nicole. I'm also very pleased with the level of the comments here. Esperanto is an issue that seems to inflame emotions, both for and against, and yes, flame wars ensue. Thanks are also due to you for the interest, healthy skepticism, and open-mindedness shown. If you do find time to check out the Esperanto group in Milan, I'd be very pleased to hear how you get on, so do drop me a line. Cheers. Tim Thanks for your note, Nicole.

I’m also very pleased with the level of the comments here. Esperanto is an issue that seems to inflame emotions, both for and against, and yes, flame wars ensue. Thanks are also due to you for the interest, healthy skepticism, and open-mindedness shown.

If you do find time to check out the Esperanto group in Milan, I’d be very pleased to hear how you get on, so do drop me a line.

Cheers.

Tim

]]> De: Nicole Martinelli http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-192 Nicole Martinelli Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:26:29 +0000 https://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-192 Hi Tim, Just a quick response to your points above. Thanks to you and all the Esperantists for turning what could have been a flame war into a discussion. You're right about the vintage Wikipedia link, I don't know what happened, whether I had initially used a different page or they changed it in the meanwhile. I'm sure I got the "artificial" concept from them. Under the def of "constructed language" they use "artificial" as a synonym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language) but in any case, as you stated, that's not really the point. I like your tourism/map analogy, it makes a lot of sense. Just downloaded the summary of the study -- and just may check out the Esperanto group here in Milan. Cheers, Nicole Hi Tim,
Just a quick response to your points above.

Thanks to you and all the Esperantists for turning what could have been a flame war into a discussion.

You’re right about the vintage Wikipedia link, I don’t know what happened, whether I had initially used a different page or they changed it in the meanwhile. I’m sure I got the “artificial” concept from them.

Under the def of “constructed language” they use “artificial” as a synonym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language) but in any case, as you stated, that’s not really the point.

I like your tourism/map analogy, it makes a lot of sense.

Just downloaded the summary of the study — and just may check out the Esperanto group here in Milan.

Cheers,
Nicole

]]> De: timsk http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-177 timsk Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:22:10 +0000 https://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-177 Manuel diris: "Estas pli kaj pli malfacile trovi esperantiston kiu ne reagas “talpisme” al tiaj mencioj de esperanto." Ĝuste. Vidu tiurilate miajn <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reago/message/6204" rel="nofollow">lastatempajn</a> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reago/message/6206" rel="nofollow">mesaĝojn</a> al la retlisto reago. Manuel diris:
“Estas pli kaj pli malfacile trovi esperantiston kiu ne reagas “talpisme” al tiaj mencioj de esperanto.”

Ĝuste. Vidu tiurilate miajn lastatempajn mesaĝojn al la retlisto reago.

]]> De: Manuel http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-175 Manuel Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:09:24 +0000 https://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-175 Dankon pro la traduko, Tim. Mi aldonas: Post mia komento, ja mi konsciis ke la multlingva tradukaro koncernas nur al la resumo de la Grin-raporto, ne al la tuto. Ankaŭ post mia komento, mi trovis ke la blogo de Nicole estas fakte kolektiva blogo de anglalingvaj ĵurnalistoj. La mencion pri ŝia usona deveno mi tamen ja preterlegis. Mi profitas la ŝancon gratuli vin pro via inteligenta kaj afabla reago. Estas pli kaj pli malfacile trovi esperantiston kiu ne reagas "talpisme" al tiaj mencioj de esperanto. Eble tiun pesimisman penson influas ĵus pasinta ĉeesto al UK... Dankon pro la traduko, Tim. Mi aldonas:

Post mia komento, ja mi konsciis ke la multlingva tradukaro koncernas nur al la resumo de la Grin-raporto, ne al la tuto.

Ankaŭ post mia komento, mi trovis ke la blogo de Nicole estas fakte kolektiva blogo de anglalingvaj ĵurnalistoj. La mencion pri ŝia usona deveno mi tamen ja preterlegis.

Mi profitas la ŝancon gratuli vin pro via inteligenta kaj afabla reago. Estas pli kaj pli malfacile trovi esperantiston kiu ne reagas “talpisme” al tiaj mencioj de esperanto. Eble tiun pesimisman penson influas ĵus pasinta ĉeesto al UK…

]]> De: timsk http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-172 timsk Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:00:02 +0000 https://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-172 Here's a translation of Manuel's post, as he requested. * About an Esperanto group in Milan: an Esperanto branch of the national cultural association ARCI, named "ARCI-Esperanto", has just been founded; its leader, Andrea Montagner, lives in Milan, and can be contacted on: io (at) andreamontagner.it * About Professor Grin's report: translations into all EU member states' languages are on the website of European Esperanto Union: http://lingvo.org/grin. <em>[N.B. These translations are one-page summaries of the report, not the full text. -- Tim.]</em> Please translate and send on to Nicolle. (By the way, why on earth is an Italian journalist blogging in English!?) <em>[Because she's American, as mentioned both on her blog and mine. -- Tim.]</em> Here’s a translation of Manuel’s post, as he requested.

* About an Esperanto group in Milan: an Esperanto branch of the national cultural association ARCI, named “ARCI-Esperanto”, has just been founded; its leader, Andrea Montagner, lives in Milan, and can be contacted on: io (at) andreamontagner.it

* About Professor Grin’s report: translations into all EU member states’ languages are on the website of European Esperanto Union: http://lingvo.org/grin. [N.B. These translations are one-page summaries of the report, not the full text. -- Tim.]

Please translate and send on to Nicolle. (By the way, why on earth is an Italian journalist blogging in English!?) [Because she's American, as mentioned both on her blog and mine. -- Tim.]

]]> De: Manuel http://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-170 Manuel Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:34:53 +0000 https://timsk.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/further-response-to-nicole-martinelli/#comment-170 Jen kelkaj respondoj al nikolaj demandoj: * Pri e-grupo en Milano: ĵus fondiĝis esperanto-branĉo de tutnacia kultura asocio ARCI [arĉi], nome "arci-esperanto"; la ĉefgvidanto de arci-esperanto estas milanano, Andrea Montagner, kies retadreso estas: io (ĉe) andreamontagner.it * Pri la raporto Grin: troveblas tradukoj en ŝtataj lingvoj de ĉiuj EU-membroj en la retejo de EEU: http://lingvo.org/grin/ Bv. traduki kaj transdoni al ŝi (flanke, kial diable itala ĵurnalisto eldonas blogon anglalingve !?) Jen kelkaj respondoj al nikolaj demandoj:

* Pri e-grupo en Milano: ĵus fondiĝis esperanto-branĉo de tutnacia kultura asocio ARCI [arĉi], nome “arci-esperanto”; la ĉefgvidanto de arci-esperanto estas milanano, Andrea Montagner, kies retadreso estas: io (ĉe) andreamontagner.it
* Pri la raporto Grin: troveblas tradukoj en ŝtataj lingvoj de ĉiuj EU-membroj en la retejo de EEU:
http://lingvo.org/grin/

Bv. traduki kaj transdoni al ŝi (flanke, kial diable itala ĵurnalisto eldonas blogon anglalingve !?)

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